I've always wondered about this, especially recently. I've always contended that they were real and ignored the conspiracy theories. But if they were real, why hasn't NASA been able to send a man to the moon since the 1970s? The whole space program seems to have taken several steps back in the last 30 years, and looking over some of these moon landing conspiracy sites raised some great questions about the original one. What do you think?
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Moon Landings - Real or Fake?
by Black Man ini've always wondered about this, especially recently.
i've always contended that they were real and ignored the conspiracy theories.
but if they were real, why hasn't nasa been able to send a man to the moon since the 1970s?
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Any Circuit or District Overseers That Made An Impression On You?
by minimus ini used to enjoy do paul illingsworth's talks.
he thought he was a greek scholar.. anyone that you liked (or didn't)?.
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Another sidenote on Illingworth. He was in the service department at Bethel for awhile and HATED it. He wanted to be out on the road, and the WTS obliged. Now he is the registrar (head instructor) for MTS last I heard............
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BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?
by Black Man ini often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.
while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).
a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.
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Hey fjtoth:
I remember quite a few who you listed. Question: are you related to Roger Toth who was in Brooklyn, computer department, I believe?
Yeah I remember Tom Combs real well. I got along with him, but he was hated by most in the Factory complex. He was in charge of laying out the Kingdom Ministries each month and was the overseer of Job Press.
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Any Circuit or District Overseers That Made An Impression On You?
by minimus ini used to enjoy do paul illingsworth's talks.
he thought he was a greek scholar.. anyone that you liked (or didn't)?.
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Doubting Bro,
Yeah, R.L. definitely was cut from a different tree. And because he raised a family before getting into the work, I feel it made him more balanced and not as fanatical as some of the other COs. His wife Claire complimented him real well and you can't help but root for guys like that. He once told me that he could've been a DO, but he just didn't want to boot-kiss to do it.
Does anyone remember Bro. Silva - a greek brother that served the Michigan area in the early 1980s? I hear that he isn't a DO anymore and is doing a slow fade, I believe in Florida somewhere. I am sure at some point that he has posted here. He had a great speaking quality, very charismatic, well-researched, very engaging and was one of the more even-keel COs that I knew as well. Knew Greek pretty well, too.
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BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?
by Black Man ini often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.
while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).
a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.
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Does anyone remember Fred Curry who was the asst. pressroom overseer in the mid-90s? He was a single brother who had several run-ins with pressroom personnel. He was cool to me, but an ass-hole to the masses. Or how about Anselm Packnett who oversaw tape duplication in 360 Furman? Very jovial and funny sense of humor.
Anyone remember Anthony Hamilton or Chris Campbell? They were a couple of whiz-kids, who I imagine would have done very well on the outside world. I remember Kevin Bush who was this suave, Denzel Washington-type cat. Anyone remember the Wiggins sisters, who were three commuter sisters that got their fair share of attention from various brothers. Anyone know R.P. Johnson? Dyed-in-the-wool company man through and through. I knew Lee Waters and Ciro Aulicino in the writing department. Both of them were company men with a slightly rebellious streak. I remember Al Harrell and Tom Jefferson in the 124 Home - black brothers trying to fit into the machine. Ahh, the memories.
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Any Circuit or District Overseers That Made An Impression On You?
by minimus ini used to enjoy do paul illingsworth's talks.
he thought he was a greek scholar.. anyone that you liked (or didn't)?.
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Hey Minimus,
Yeah, I knew Illingworth quite well. And I thought he was cool. One of the few DOs who had cool interests that included liking to ski, scuba dive, etc and he gave great talks. You got the impression that he thought he was THE MAN, but he didn't take himself too seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if he posted here in the future.
R.L. Jones: The coolest CO I ever knew. Armani suits, stacy adams shoes, cool wife. Knew about the politics behind the publishing corporation.
Jack Moore: Old school white brother with a grandfather's care and touch. Enjoyed him. Passed away in the early 1990s.
R.E. Smith: Many felt he was an ass-hole, but I thought he was funny as hell. A living breathing cartoon character. Who doesn't remember some of his catch phrases, "Girdle down sisters, you look like you have two piggys in a blanket," "Let's clean these heathens up with P & G soap," "These sisters have these rips and splits up their skirts from can to can't," "What's with all the colors in your hair, some of you looked like you walked past an exploding paint factory." I could go on and on............
Charles Jackson: Great speaker. In hindsight, he was a little too emotional at times (for instance he broke down and cried several times during some of his closing prayers at District Conventions), but he seemed to mean well.
Antrim Smith: There are two words that come to mind for this ass-hole - POND SCUM. Took delight in lording it over the flock. Would pride himself on his ability to remove whole bodies of elders at a time. Would pridefully relate stories such as when he once asked a pioneer what kind of music he listened to, and when the pioneer went to do a call, he went under the car seat and opened up his CD case and found he had records by Prince and various hip hop artists. He relieved the pioneer of his duties (both pioneer and MS) because of that and the pioneer felt into a deep depression. Antrim told him it was because he grieved Jah's spirit by listening to debased music. If there ever was a fiery hell, this ass-hole would be the first to burn.
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MTS School
by Black Man inwhen will the wts admit that this arrangement is a bust - financially, emotionally, aesthetically.
mts was something that started in 1987 for those who wanted to pursue other avenues of services without having to go through bethel service.
it originally was intended to be an abbreviated gilead course with brothers receiving assignments to go into the circuit work, missionary service, special pioneer work or to serve where the need was greater (which oftentimes translated to the boonies or starkly rural areas).
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yeah, I'm up preppin' for a talk. speaker cancelled out on me for today........
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BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?
by Black Man ini often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.
while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).
a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.
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HAHAHA.......yeah I remember Gil Nazaroff. He was a prick, although he treated me OK. Anybody remember any press guys like Frank Butcher, Rashaun Rofick, Mata Carlos Valentino, Keith Davis, Jesse Santana, etc?
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MTS School
by Black Man inwhen will the wts admit that this arrangement is a bust - financially, emotionally, aesthetically.
mts was something that started in 1987 for those who wanted to pursue other avenues of services without having to go through bethel service.
it originally was intended to be an abbreviated gilead course with brothers receiving assignments to go into the circuit work, missionary service, special pioneer work or to serve where the need was greater (which oftentimes translated to the boonies or starkly rural areas).
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"Lots of these bros end up inactive or better yet, apostate."
This is a dead-on observation as I know many in the US and Canada who have gone apostate............
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MTS School
by Black Man inwhen will the wts admit that this arrangement is a bust - financially, emotionally, aesthetically.
mts was something that started in 1987 for those who wanted to pursue other avenues of services without having to go through bethel service.
it originally was intended to be an abbreviated gilead course with brothers receiving assignments to go into the circuit work, missionary service, special pioneer work or to serve where the need was greater (which oftentimes translated to the boonies or starkly rural areas).
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When will the WTS admit that this arrangement is a bust - financially, emotionally, aesthetically. MTS was something that started in 1987 for those who wanted to pursue other avenues of services without having to go through bethel service. It originally was intended to be an abbreviated gilead course with brothers receiving assignments to go into the circuit work, missionary service, special pioneer work or to serve where the need was greater (which oftentimes translated to the boonies or starkly rural areas).
The greater majority of brothers who were given assignments would then have meltdowns because they were often sent into assignments that in no way was in line with their skill-set, background, locale they were raised in, etc. There were even some who were sent to **gasp** Bethel, where they could see the action up close, only to be later disillusioned and go back home. The majority of assignments brothers now receive from MTS? Being sent back to their local congregations like fish thrown back in the water. So for two months, brothers get gilead-style training only to be sent back home in hopes of serving in their home congos. WHAT A WASTE!!
It's even more of a waste when most, if not all these bros have foregone college in hopes of receiving this perceived theocratic higher education only to find that it doesn't carry any value and that you'll be sent back to your originally congo anyway..........